Model 98 Mauser Serial Numbers Manufacture Date
Thanks in Advance! I do not know how to read the date (.97 x do-I-read-it-right 1317 + 622,??) on my Persian Mauser, and not sure but suspect it to be Czech/ZB manufacture. Rifle shows differently under different light as you can see.
It is all matching and bought it on this Board from a gentleman that said he owed it for 20 years and never wanted to, and did not, shoot it. Sure it was shot before that but bore is new and the many small compressions and light scratches seem to indicate this was not, is not a refinished rifle.
Need date of Manufacture for a Mauser Model 66. By Richard995, February 2, 2014 in Long Guns. Reply to this topic. Mauser-Werke A.G. Oberndorf a.N. Serial number G 158XX. Sites they are collectors of the WWII Mausers. I have been able to download the owners manual. I can not find the date of manufacture. The rifle is a great. AlexanderA Member. The real significance of the serial number on an M1898 Krag is in determining whether it was made before January 1, 1899, and is therefore an 'antique' (and thus unregulated) under federal law. This is one of several guns whose production spanned the cutoff date (the famous '98 Mauser being another one).
Looked on IslamicFinder, etc. But I cannot decipher the date and manufacture on this 98/29. Any help would be appreciated & Thanks! Last edited by TOK; at 07:46 PM. The year 1317 translate to 1938 and the serial number translates to 9231. I can not make the alphabet that comes after the serial number.
Never have seen that before. It's not an alphabet, maybe a mark??? If you take a pic from the side of the barrel where it has the serial number, maybe I'll be able to read it there. The writing on the stock means 'infantry'.
The writing on the barrel translates to ' Brno, model 1317 long'. Looks like a nice gun, do you mind me asking what you paid for it? Thanks torke khar, appreciate you taking the time to walk me through this!
I will PM you what I paid. To me this 98/22 has a far more solid feel and better workmanship than any rifle I own, or may ever own, even though I will never ever shoot it.
Not really sure what it is worth but have an idea. Again, Thank you, and please let me know if I can ever help you out.
From what I know the Czech Brno/Mauser are built the best in the world. Even better that the German ones, because of it's craftsmanship and machinery.
The Persian built Brnos, which were set up by the Czechs in Iran, aren't nearly as good, clean and precise. They look like they were cheaply made vs. The Czech ones. I've seen the Persian 98's go as low as $600 to about $900 if in excellent condition and all matching #'s. If you have matching Bayonet then you can add a couple of hundred $ to the price.
TOK, Very nice rifle. I see no harm in shooting the rifle.
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If it were mine, I would shoot it. I suggest firing non-corrosive ammo to be on the safe side, to take care at the range and while cleaning it not to mar the finish. I don't see any reason why shooting it would decrease the value.
Too cool of a rifle not to shoot. No vice like advice. Regards, Shannon Shannon, Just saw this: First, Thank you for your Service. I do Appreciate the adVice!!
Take Care, Mark Last edited by TOK; at 09:16 PM. The year 1317 translate to 1938 and the serial number translates to 9231. I can not make the alphabet that comes after the serial number.
Never have seen that before. It's not an alphabet, maybe a mark???If you were figuring that this is using the Arabic alphabet, that could have been your problem. This rifle is maked in Farsi, which has a similar looking, but somewhat different alphabet. You may be able to get a character-by-character, and even word translations using the virtual keyboard feature on Google Translate.
In this case, pictures are worth their weight. It helps identify the markings. And clarify if the markings are fake or nt ( sometimes.) IF it has true, accurate SS markings, you REALLY have a great collectors item. ( and pretty valuable as well. ) check these palces out for more general info ( and a few might even have SPECIFIC info) regarding your questions, etc. Www.mausershooters.org/ www.mauser.net/firearms/rifles/mauser-rifles/k98german/index.htm www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms. The 'bnz' production code was assigned by Organization Todt to production of German war material at the Steyr factories in what had been Austria during most of WW II.
German Mauser 98 Serial Numbers
It also appears on war material made at factories under Steyr supervision, such as the Radom factory in Poland. The 'Eagle' mark over a 'WaA XXX' is the German military inspector's acceptance stamp. It is called a 'Waffen Amt'. The 'XXX' number was the number of the inspection office assigned by the German Army's Quartermaster Corps.
Some factories had multiple offices, and some articles were made up of parts inspected at different factories, explaining multiple WaA numbers on a single firearm. This Mauser should be a Karbiner 98k. Most of the SS marked Kar. 98k's made by Steyr are dated with a '44' (1944) date code. Other factories made Kar. 98k's for the SS earlier, but were diverted to StGw 44 production in early 1944. Steyr, Mauser ('byf', 'svw') and Brno ('dot') were the last major producers of 98k's in 1944 and the Mauser and Brno output was dedicated to the German Army.
No Polish 'bnz' Radom Model 98/40's were made for the SS. Value will depend upon condition and matching parts. The eagle over 'WaA77' is the Steyr main factory Waffen Amt acceptance proof. Late in 1944, a number of German factories stopped dating with a '44' and used just a single '4', presumably to eliminate the labor to make the extra '4'. The other markings are perplexing. I have never seen a 'bnz' in a shield. This manufacturer's code always appears as three lower case letters, usually over a two digit date code.
The serial number should be 4 digits and a script letter on the receiver and barrel. The last two digits of the serial number should appear on most of the smaller parts. At the beginning of 1944, most German factories were stamping the full serial number on the bolt handle root. By the end of 1944, most of the Kar.98k bolt roots were only stamped with the last two digits of the serial number.
Photos of the markings would be helpful in further identifing your rifle. The plain '77' is probably the same as WaA77.
It sounds like your rifle was made late in 1944 when there was considerable confusion at the Steyr plant. They were struggling to make their production quotas and the Speer organization authorized all kinds of shortcuts. It was bombed by USAF several times during 1944 and all the machinery from the Radom plant in Poland was shipped there in the middle of that year. EMail me photos of the markings and I can tell you more. I tried to email you some photos, but it came back. OK.so here are pictures of this Mauser.
You have a very late war production Steyr Kar.98k or VG.2 which has been sporterized. The '4' on the receiver indicates that the receiver was made in 1944, but the gun was probably assembled in 1945. The barrel on this rifle was an MG.15, MG.34, or MG.81 aircraft machine gun barrel turned down to Kar.98k profile. The receiver may have been quarantined when originally produced for some minor flaw and then returned to assembly at the end of the war, a common German practice in 1945. The Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht released spare barrels for obsolete 8x57mm machineguns to rifle production in December 1944, because there was a general shortage of rifle barrels. These barrels were reprofiled and used in Kar.98ks, Stg.44s, VG.1s, VG.2s and other 'last ditch' rifles. The 'cy' indicates that the barrel was originally made in Czechoslovakia at a Spreewerk facility and the 'bnz' in a shield probably indicates that the barrel was reprofiled at Steyr.
I have not seen this marking before. The barrel was probably an MG.34 barrel, as Spreewerk's facilities in Czechoslovakia were major subcontractors to Brno ('dot') whose MG.34 production collapsed in November 1944. The rifle has been sporterized, so I have no idea of its value. It is possible that the rifle left the Steyr factory with a short forend as a VG.2, but it is impossible to know this since it was sporterized.
It should be safe to shoot, since it apparently was proofed by Steyr. I say apparently proofed because there does not appear to be a Waffen Amt on the barrel, the normal practice for German rifles when they were test fired at the factory.
Mauser Serial Number List
But in 1945 this practice may have broken down as well. Some of the German rifle factories ran out of proof test cartridges as early as December 1944. You have a very late war production Steyr Kar.98k or VG.2 which has been sporterized. The '4' on the receiver indicates that the receiver was made in 1944, but the gun was probably assembled in 1945. The barrel on this rifle was an MG.15, MG.34, or MG.81 aircraft machine gun barrel turned down to Kar.98k profile. The receiver may have been quarantined when originally produced for some minor flaw and then returned to assembly at the end of the war, a common German practice in 1945. The Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht released spare barrels for obsolete 8x57mm machineguns to rifle production in December 1944, because there was a general shortage of rifle barrels.
These barrels were reprofiled and used in Kar.98ks, Stg.44s, VG.1s, VG.2s and other 'last ditch' rifles. The 'cy' indicates that the barrel was originally made in Czechoslovakia at a Spreewerk facility and the 'bnz' in a shield probably indicates that the barrel was reprofiled at Steyr. I have not seen this marking before. The barrel was probably an MG.34 barrel, as Spreewerk's facilities in Czechoslovakia were major subcontractors to Brno ('dot') whose MG.34 production collapsed in November 1944. The rifle has been sporterized, so I have no idea of its value. It is possible that the rifle left the Steyr factory with a short forend as a VG.2, but it is impossible to know this since it was sporterized.
It should be safe to shoot, since it apparently was proofed by Steyr. I say apparently proofed because there does not appear to be a Waffen Amt on the barrel, the normal practice for German rifles when they were test fired at the factory. But in 1945 this practice may have broken down as well.
Some of the German rifle factories ran out of proof test cartridges as early as December 1944. Thanks for so much info!! What does this Waffen Amt look like?? In the 2nd, 3rd & 4th from bottom picture, you'll see that there is some symbol to the right of the sheild, could that be the Waffen Amt?? Photo 7 shows three Waffen Amt stamps on the right side of the receiver. These cover visual inspections during assembly.
Missing on the receiver is a fourth Waffen Amt stamp for function testing with dummy cartridges. Photo 4 shows what may be a Waffen Amt to the left of the serial number of the barrel. The barrel should have three Waffen Amts: one for inspection of the bore and rifling, one for inspection of the outside profile, and a final one for proof firing. Photo 8 may be a second Waffen Amt on the barrel to the right of the 'bnz' in the shield. The 'S' in Photo 5 on the barrel next to the receiver indicates that the barrel is rifled with a 0.323 inch groove diameter for pointed bullet 8x57mmJS ammunition made after 1904, rather than the.318 groove diameter for round nose bulleted 8x57mmJ ammunition used before 1904. Most, but not all, VG.2s had a simple open sight dovetailed into the receiver ring between where the 'bnz' and the '4' are on your rifle. But the VG.2 specification was rather loose and really was an authorization to turn out any shootable rifle which could be made.
The machining on your rear sight base is deplorable, which leads me to suspect that it was a previously rejected part which was returned to assembly in 1945.